David Kock:  Well, Mr.Van der Sloot's attorneys stated that they were not getting the documents as fast as it should be, or not getting all the documents, and they also asked to get a copy of all the video-taped interrogations of all the three suspects. The DA, during in the trial, stated that they are giving all the documents, so the judge did not grant that.  The judge stated, that everything should be, of course,  made available to Mr. Van der Sloot and since the video tapes of interrogation are also part of the dossier, they also have to be, now, handed over to Van der Sloot.

Greta Van Susteren:  David, did your client, Satish Kalpoe, did he join in this motion, or have a separate motion, or is this motion about documents and videotapes only relate to Joran van der Sloot?

David Kock:  No, it was only submitted by Van der Sloot, we were not of the opinion that the documents were being withheld for Satish Kalpoe. And for us.. At the moment, the video tapes don't play such an important part, so that's why we did not submit such a motion.  But, I understood,  I already spoke also with the DA and in the fair process that should be made available also to us, just, you know, to treat everybody equally.

Greta Van Susteren: Do you have all the text messages or any wire tapped transcripts that may exist?

David Kock:  Up to now, we have the ones that are relevant, so that's why we are actually comfortable with our investigation at this moment and how it's developed.

Greta Van Susteren: Is there any text message, which indicates when Satish and Deepak were home, is there anyway to figure that out?

David Kock: Yes, there are internet records that show the time that Deepak got home, of course, we do not have any for Satish, because he went home,as you know, and went to his  bedroom, went to sleep in his bedroom , there's no computer,  he wasn't either on the phone anymore, but his brother Deepak was and for that we already have the records and that is also what we indicated during the hearing of the so-called gardner, when he stated at a certain time he saw the three there, whereas we had concrete proof that that was just not possible.

Greta Van Susteren:  David, at what point was Deepak on the internet and what was the time that the gardener claimed to say he saw the three?

David Kock: There are records to indicate that around 2 o'clock already, Deepak is back on the internet while the.. and from there on, also almost 3:00 o'clock
while the gardener said that at 2 30...  that he's so convinced that at two thrity, he saw the three of  them next to the Racquet club  So, it's just physically that's impossible.

Greta Van Susteren:  So, as best I can piece together... Your client is with Deepak they are brothers they live together,  so presumably your client was  home was as well at 2 o'ccock Is that consistent with what your evidence is?

David Kock: I think that is a very logical assumption also...  no?

Greta Van Susteren:  Is there any evidence David, cell records or internet records  to place Joran any particular place at any particular time?

David Kock: No, I mean there are the phone records of when, you know, when he called Deepak, as you know, around 2:40, and then afterwards a little bit after 3 o'clock, and there have been some triangulation to indicate where he was, so that is consistent with the area where he was supposed to be, so in that aspect that is also covered. So, you know, the story matches the facts as it stands right now.

Greta Van Susteren: All right, so your client 2 o'clock to 3 o'clock  is on the internet at home.  I've been in his room,  I've seen the computer or I saw where it was. . He gets phone calls at 2:40 and 3:00 o'clock from Joran. Where do the cell phone records place the phone that Joran is using at 2:40 and 3:00 o'clock in the morning

David Kock:  Ah, that is not an exact pinpoint indication, but the general area is the area here in north of palm beach of the hotels

Greta Van Susteren:  So, it looks like he is not home at that hour,. but someplace near the Mariott  is that right?

David Kock: That is, that is correct, he is in this neighborhood.

Greta Van Susteren:  Is there any explanation of how he got from the hotel to his home?

David Kock: No, other than what my client state that he heard or was told by Joran, is that he went home walking, but, you know, we don't have any way to verify it... as I indicated in the past, on the path from here to his house, there are certain banks, gas stations, et cetera, that had video cameras that filming the streets, but they just keep it for a couple of days , so by the time they went, uh the police went there to ask to get these video tapes they were already wiped out, so, you know,  we cannot confirm it by any other means.

Greta: David, what time does does your client, I take it he dropped Joran and Natalee off, what time does he place the drop off?

David Kock: Ah, look, he states that he gets home around 1:50, so it should be between five and ten minutes, you know at that time of night there is not much traffic, so it would only take between five to ten minutes for him to get home from this area.

Greta Van Susteren:  David, is there any legal evidence of a murder, anyplace?

David Kock:  Not at all Greta.  At this moment there are no hard evidence, just logical deductions.  You know, somebody's missing, doesn't show up. And the last person that suposedly  was with her cannot give a reasonable explanation of what happened, but, that's it.

Greta Van Susteren: What is that the phone call 2:40 in the morning between Joran and your client was about? What were they talking about?

David Kock: Of course, that was not with my client, but my client said that what he was saying was that he was walking home, that he left the girl on the beach, and that he's walking home.. and afterwards, the call after 3:00 o'clock was to actually call in and say that he got home.  So,  you know, if you look at the distance that it would take you to walk that also concurs with the elapsed time between the two phone calls.
Greta Van Susteren: Natalee Holloway was seen leaving an Aruba bar with Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe. Satish's lawyer, David Kock, gave us a step-by-step description of what happened that night after they left the bar.

Greta (to David): Do you know if Joran made any statements at any time, even after that night, to either Deepak or your client about what happened to Natalee, about leaving Natalee, any information at all?

David Kock: No, not any more additional information. That was not made available to my client. They didn't talk about it. First, they just trusted their friend, you know, as a lot of times young friends do. You know, they totally trusted their friend said. They didn't have a reason to doubt what he was saying. Of course, now it might sound otherwise.

Greta Van Susteren: Did Satish, your client, meet with Paul van der Sloot and Deepak and Joran?

David Kock: Yes — let's say, not that it was a meeting, no. I mean, these are friends that visited the house of Joran and the father, so it wasn't like a meeting was arranged and they just came for that meeting. They just were there, spoke with the father, like also happened before May 30.

Greta Van Susteren: But after May 30, after Natalee disappeared, did they meet with Paul? And did Paul give them any advice or give them any information about the investigation?

David Kock: Yes. When they were, after that day, at the house, on one occasion, you know, the father explained to them how a criminal procedure would be, but that was, according to my client, the only scope of that encounter, if one might call it like that.

Greta Van Susteren: How did your client describe what happened when they left Carlos and Charlie's? What did he say happened when they departed?

David Kock: Oh, you know, that when they left the place going towards their car, that Joran showed up with that girl, that the girl was going to drive with them in the car, that they drove around. But first, they also met a couple of friends of the disappeared girl, who told her, why doesn't she get out of the car, and she said, no, that she was going to drive around. They drove around, drove to the lighthouse, and then coming back towards the high-rises, but Joran asked to be dropped here, next to the Marriott, and that the two of them got out of the car and that they left. And for them, that was the end of it.

Greta Van Susteren: And your client then went home as a passenger in his brother, Deepak's, car, is that what he said?

David Kock: Correct. Correct. That is the case.

Greta Van Susteren: Deepak's car has been torn apart, looking for any information possible. Is there anything that was — any DNA that was taken out of that car, in any — you know, whether it's saliva or hair, anything at all?

David Kock: No, nothing was found in the car that was relevant to the case. Just remember, if they found, for example, a hair of the disappeared girl in the car, it would still not mean anything because she was in the car. But they didn't find anything that gave an indication that a foul play or that something went wrong in the car, so...

Greta Van Susteren: What was going on in the car as they were driving around? Was there some sort of sexual activity between Joran and Natalee?

David Kock: Well, my client indicated, you know, that they were kissing, et cetera, and that it was impolite for him to be turning and looking back, so, you know? That is the only thing that he saw.

Greta Van Susteren: Was it getting out of hand at all? Was it getting rough at all or not?

David Kock: No, no, not that he noticed any, no.

Greta Van Susteren: What about drugs and alcohol? Was there any — has your client mentioned whether or not either Joran or Natalee or both seemed under the influence?

David Kock: No. Look, they had been drinking, both of those two. I mean, you know, she was lying on the bar, and jelly shots were being drunk from her navel. They were drinking. I mean, that's a fact. But according to my client, not that, you know, they were stupidly drunk.

Greta Van Susteren: When you say they drove around and they met up with some of Natalee's friends, do you know where that was?

David Kock: That was at the intersection next to the bus terminal. I think that group of — I don't know if I can call them classmates or travel mates, in any case — we assume that they were standing there to await taxis to go — to get back to the hotel.

Greta Van Susteren: Any idea who they were, their names?

David Kock: No. No. I mean, they are in the file, but not that I know on the top of my head. And we didn't find it necessary to really go too much into that.

They have stated that. I mean, they have stated that, you know? They asked her to get out, and that she said no, that she was going to stay in the car and drive home — back with Joran, so...

Greta Van Susteren: What do you make of the fact that, apparently, on this June 13 declaration, Joran says — at least, we're told — that Deepak raped and murdered — I think raped and buried, or something like that, Natalee? Do you know anything about that?

David Kock: Yes. No, that was a statement that was given. I think, though, it's — because I saw it, too, that it appeared here in the newspaper. But I think you have to put it into context, that that was just one of the stories that Joran told, and that afterwards, he has changed his story again.

It wasn't a statement that he signed, it was something that the police said that he declared during a conversation, that he said, yes, something must have gone wrong with the girl. And then when they asked him, What do you think, and he says, Well, I think maybe after I got — because that was at a time when he was stating that Deepak came and picked him up here and dropped him at home, which was also impossible because of the records afterwards, but at that time, he did not know that.

So he came up with that story that Deepak picked him up, dropped him at home, and he assumed that something went wrong, so that maybe, Deepak, knowing that the girl was here lying on the beach, came back and then did something to the girl and then bury her, no? But yes, I don't know if that was a story told, you know, as a joke, if it was maybe speaking as in a third person type of situation. I mean, but what we know is that afterwards, his statements have changed, so, you know? We don't have to only focus on that one.

Greta Van Susteren: David, thank you very much. I hope you'll come back as the case progresses. Thank you.

David Kock: Ok. You're welcome. Take care, Greta.