The "Deepak" confession
| The breaking news
(11/23/05) is that the Dutch forensic audio lab has reported back (based
on a statement from Aruban police) that the Dr. Phil tape has been altered
inappropriately. Here is how they are quoted in an AP news article:
The tapes played on U.S.
television appear to have been altered to suggest Deepak admitted to a
sexual act, our forensic investigators tell us, the original tape did not
say that," Gerald Dompig, chief of police for the Dutch Caribbean island,
said in a statement. "I have reviewed the findings of the Forensic
Institute in Holland...those results state that the tapes were not authentic
in regard to statement made by Deepak Kalpoe," Dompig said.
The Abrams interview
Concerning the Holland finding,
Dompig was interviewed along with Jamie Skeeters, the private detective
who made the questionable tape on the Dan Abrams show:
Here is the Abrams interview
with Dompig and Skeeters: Dompig Skeeters
interview
We have the original recording
Here are links to the entire
video and complete transcript. This is the exact original as tested by
the NFI. The whole file is so large that it is impractical to put up on
the net, but I divided it into manageable segments. Each one is ten minutes.
After the first, each subsequent segment also includes about 30 seconds
of over lap (the last 30 seconds of the previous one is included on each
segment) for continuity.
There has been no further
encoding (as is done to make videos web presentable). This is the exact
original which Aruba and subsequently, the NFI, tested and reported as
being unaltered (not manipulated).
The entire unedited 2
hour video and transcripts:
http://www.scrux.com/natalee/deepakskeetersvideo.htm
Here is the phony Dr.
Phil video (on youtube):
The
altered (fraudulent) Dr. Phil video
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The background of the infamous Deepak "confession" tape
An American television show
host, Dr. Phil McGraw, whose show is called, "The Dr. Phil Show,"
hired a California polygraph expert and former police detective, Jamie
Skeeters, to go to Aruba and conduct his own investigation. In August,
Skeeters talked to Deepak Kalpoe in a very strange taped, ambush type audio
taped interview, which was not turned over to any Aruban authorities, but
instead first aired on the Dr. Phil Show in late September, and now has
been played on various networks, including virtually every cable news show,
as well as on conventional networks. The interview has been criticized
for sounding like it has been cut and pasted. Many have questioned
its validity because the dialog is not a continuous flow and the segmentation
is quite obvious. However, Skeeters in an email, (scroll to bottom of this
page) says it has not been "doctored."
This audio interview, originally
described as having been done without being video taped, was said to have
been done in a public place, described by Skeeters (and Dr. Phil) as being
in a hotel lobby. Later it was revealed that it was videoed and that it
was done in Skeeters' hotel room. Deepak denies that it was done with permission.
Skeeters claimed that a few days before he had taken Deepak to his hotel
room and shown him a video of an interview and polygraph test he had done
on the "land fill" witness, who was found to have been lying. Skeeters
claims that during that visit he mentioned to Deepak that whenever he talked
to anyone he always recorded the interviews for the protection of both
parties. He evidently didn't mention that again days later when Deepak
had a discussion with him in Skeeter's hotel room. No warning about
the interview being taped was played as part of the interview.
It is primarily not Deepak, but Jamie Skeeters talking and leading the
discussion. It only has a few responses by Deepak, has
been described by many of the television talking heads as being a "confession,"
that Deepak is confessing that all three of them had sex with her.
While there was no mention
in the questions or Deepak's answer of whether sex was consensual or not,
Beth Twitty in subsequent comments , somehow, interpreted that Deepak confessed
in that tape to "gang rape." On his show, Dr. Phil, announced that
he would be sending this to the Aruban Prosecutor for them to have as evidence
Dr. Phil, didn't comment on why it had not been turned over immediately,
since it was recorded in August, but not aired on the Dr. Phil show until
late September.
Jamie Skeeters: If
you did it, don't take a poly from me or anyone else, because you won't
pass it. If you did not do it, you're foolish. And the question I will
ask you is if you intentionally killed her.
Deepak Kalpoe:
No
(cut here, as though we
are missing parts of the interview)
Jamie Skeeters: If
it was an accident, I can help all of you. And if you guys were partying,
even if somebody had given her a date drug
(Sounds like another cut
here)
Jamie Skeeters:
I'm sure she had sex with all of you.
(Deepak's response is an
entirely different volume level, very faint, almost inaudible)
Deepak Kalpoe: She
did.
--Note: the end of "did"
is very abrupt, almost like another word or at least dead air space of
ambient sound should be expected to follow. He might very well have said
"She didn't" or "She did not" with the sounds after "did" digitally cut.
---
--Note: After "did," it
sounds like a cut and splice here, prior to the beginning of the next sentence.
On the tv screen it showed captioned word "You'd" at the start, but
that is not audible... on the tape it starts with the word "be",
further indication of a splice. -----
Deepak Kalpoe: ...be
surprised how simple it was.
(obvious cut here)
Jamie Skeeters:
Let me ask you this... that for $25 you can pay a bartender to slip
your date a date rape drug in her drink. Does that happen?
Deepak Kalpoe: I
never drugged someone.
Jamie Skeeters:
I'm not saying you. But I mean have you heard of that happening?
Deepak: I haven't
heard the bartender story.
(there is a cut here, like
we are missing some questions from Skeeter)
Deepak Kalpoe: I
know there is a drug called Ecstasy. I heard they slip that into drinks.
(another very obvious cut)
Deepak Kalpoe: To
tell you quite frankly, dressed like a slut... talked like one. Would
go in a car with three strange guys and her mother claiming her to be the
goody two shoes. Enough of the BS already.
(another cut)
Deepak Kalpoe: The
person that saw something in the morning hours...
(another cut here and splice)
Jamie Skeeters:
That's the gardener. The gardener is the one that definitely saw you guys
3:00, when statements were made. This guy remembers exactly what time it
was because he couldn't sleep that night. He identified every one of you
in the lineup except for one of you. I don't know which one, you or your
brother.
Deepak Kalpoe: My
brother
Jamie Skeeters:
But he didn't. He says because the brother was lying in the back seat and
that's going to kill you. Sometimes your closest friends, if they're worried,
and this thing is that big, they'll burn you.”
Deepak Kalpoe:
I don't have any close friends anymore. They're all gone.
Jamie Skeeters:
Really? Because of this?
Deepak Kalpoe: Everything
is empty,
(sounds like a splice, here.
No lead in...)
Deepak Kalpoe: If
I knew where the body is I would tell them a long time ago.
(the following doesn't seem
to be continuing from the previous, but sounds spliced.)
Deepak Kalpoe: Let
them start a trial and get this over with." "I don't care.” |
|
| Listen and view the Dr. Phil presentation
yourself
The "doctored" Dr. Phil
video (on youtube):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELxTwuoveLA |
Validity:
First, to evaluate
this "interview," you must suspend disbelief that this was not a spliced
tape: Notice that all Deepak says is, "She did." It would
take some imagination to stretch, "She did," into a confession of "gang
rape." The "... be surprised at how easy it was," at best,
it is an admission that all of them had consensual sex with a willing participant.
The word choices are highly questionable, because they seem to be inappropriate
responses to what is offered as going before the "responses." Certainly
the expressions captured are unlikely phrases, which might be used by someone
to confess to rape (or even consensual sex for that matter).
Even, assuming that these actually were sequitor answers to what
was posed by Skeeters (which were actually often not questions, but statements),
this sequence is a technique called, "leading the witness" and it is generally
not allowed in a courtroom in direct examination or a witness deposition
(which, this would not qualify as), so it wouldn't be permitted in a courtroom
(and unlikely to be admitted as evidence)
It doesn't take expertise
in audio to realize this "interview" has been patched together and is,
apparently to some listeners, very much out of sequence. Without
expert evaluation, no one can truly make that charge. Many people
who expressed concern, reasonably drew that conclusion from the first playing
on the Dr. Phil show based on the obviously different pitch and sound levels,
as well as noticeable cuts from the Skeeter questions (or statements) to
the so-called Deepak answers. Interestingly, on later airings on
other tv shows, (the producers may have heard the criticisms), the tape
seemed to have had audio work to bring the levels up without such noticeable
sound differences.. Other factors which make some detrators question
the validity is that the tape was not immediately submitted to Aruban authorities,
even though subsequent to this taping, both Kalpoe brothers were
taken back into custody for further questioning and a court hearing.
It was only revealed on a US television show and long after Joran and the
Kapoes had been released. The tape further has not been permitted
to be reviewed by disinterested third party evidence (forensic) laboratories
to verify that it has not been altered and it has not been submitted to
journalists in its entirety (non edited) for impartial scrutiny, athough
Skeeters is now saying that the FBI has the tape (scroll to bottom of page
for the Skeeters email).
| Threshold requirements
Evidence must reach a certain
threshold of value in order to be "admissible evidence."
a. It must be authenticated,
i.e., determined to have been acquired in a valid manner.
b. It must have probative
value, i.e., likely to prove or disprove a point.
c. It must not be
hearsay, i.e., it must not be an out of court statement made by someone
who can testify and, therefore, be subject to cross-examination. A judge
can allow such a statement admissible in US courts (such as a television
interview), but unlikely in a Dutch jusrisdiction, because of a stronger
protection against self-incrimination than is granted under US laws.
d. It must not be
prejudicial, i.e., likely to cause undue shock value, where a better form
of evidence might be less likely to do so.
This "tape" probably does
not reach even the barest minimum standards of the threshold of admissible
evidence |
Full Dr. Phil show transcript
Here are links to
a full Dr. Phil show transcript and a discussion along with comparisons
to the actual unedited tape.
Click here to read:
Full Dr. Phil show transcript
Forum
Discussion about comparing it with the unedited recording
Full Deepak/Skeeters interview recording
and transcripts
Here is a link to the full
unedited recording as tested by the Dutch forensic institute (obtained
from the Aruban police).
Click here to view, hear
and read: Full
unedited 2 hour Deepak/Skeeters interview with transcripts
Further developments
Jamie Skeeters admits in
a television broadcast that he colluded with Dr. Phil to sit on this
tape for a month. Many people have asked why would anyone sit on what Skeeters
refers to as "extremely important evidence?" Waiting a month after
it was aired (and two to three months after it was taped) seems to make
no sense, if an investigator is truly committed to helping and adding to
an ongoing investigation.
| From Nancy Grace Cable
Show October 5, 2005:
Jamie Skeeters: Well,
the statement, I think, is the one extremely important evidence. Now, that`s
why I`ve stayed out of the media for so long, that I`m from the old school.
I believe that you keep integrity and credibility with the evidence.
It`s been one month. Dr. Phil indicated it`s time. We promised the Aruban
people that we would give the evidence to them. Well, we wanted
to do it through folks like you. I love the American media. You guys are
fantastic. I couldn`t have done it without you. So it`s a team effort. |
On the The Big Story, a Fox
news cable television show on October 8 and again on October 9, the hostess
(Megan), interviewed the Deputy Police Chief of Aruba, Gerold Dompig.
Dompig indicated that the Dr. Phil show still had not submitted the "Deepak"
tape to them (originally taped in August, aired in September and still
not delivered in October). This is what he said:
| On October 8 The Big
Story
Hostess (Megan: Let
me ask you about this tape where Deepak Kalpoe alledgedly admitted that
all three had sex with Natalee. Assuming that the authorities down there
get their hands on that tape pretty soon from Dr. Phil and it confirms
he made that admission, coupled with the statements that Natalee Holloway
was coming in and out of consciousness, would that be enough for an arrest
on a sex charge?
Gerold Dompig: I cannot
say that, I cannot comment on that. I can say that we have done everything
possible to get our hands on those tapes, the original tape. We really
want to know if they are legitimate, and not something that was altered
or whatever We have put in an official request through the
prosecutor to the Dr. Phil show. The response was that we could get
the tapes if the prosecutor participated in a show where she was handed
over the tapes on the air. Of course, we don't want to participate
in a show. |
One day later, Beth Twitty
said she had spoken with the producers and they hadn't received a request.
There seems to be some game playing between the Dr. Phil Show, Beth Twitty
and the Aruban Authorities.
| On October 9 The Big
Story
Hostess (Megan): Joining
us tonight to talk about that is the deputy police chief in Aruba, Gerold
Dompig. Let me start with that tape of Deepak Kalpoe that is just disturbing.
Whether he is involved in her disappearance or not, for him to be talking
about her in that way, suggests a callousness to her death or disappearance.
What is your reaction to hearing that?
Gerold Dompig:
Well, we are just as concerned about that as you are. It is very important
to us to get our hands on that tape. That is why right after the Dr. Phil
show, we requested formally, officially, to get the tapes. We would like
the original tapes to make sure that they were not altered. After
waiting almost a week, we got an answer from the Dr. Phil show that they
would be willing to hand over the tapes only on the show. As a serious
investigavtive agency, we cannot cooperate with that.
Hostess (Megan): We
heard that the police perhaps did not reach out to the Dr. Phil show to
get that full unedited audio tape. You are saying that you guys did that?
Gerold Dompig:
: Absolutely.
(A few moments later,
the hostess (Megan) interviews Beth Twitty)
Hostess (Megan):
I know you heard what deputy chief Dompig is saying about the unedited
full audiotape. Are you hearing something different?
Beth Twitty: Well
absolutely,I do know there is controversy over this. I spoke to the Dr.
Phil producers this morning and they specifically stated that the request
from the prosecutors office had not come in yet. Where this fault lies,
I am not sure. I certainly hope this will be turned over soon so we can
begin with this.
Hostess (Megan):
Last night, the deputy chief seemed to leave the door open to the possibility
as you and I have discussed before Beth that a sex crimes charge could
possibly result if you put together what Deepak Kalpoe says on that tape
with the other admissions of these three that she was fading in and out
of consciousness on the night that Deepak Kalpoe says they all three had
sex with her.
(Editor's note:
In the transcript from Oct 8, Dompig actually said "I cannot say that.
I cannot comment on that." when asked if charges could be brought.)
Beth Twitty: Absolutely,
and I hope that the request for that videotape comes in tomorrow to the
Dr. Phil show from the attorney generals office in Aruba because we really
need to act on this quickly.
Hostess (Megan):
I wonder if it is just a matter of semantics because he is the deputy chief
and not the prosecutor. I hope the Dr. Phil show is not waiting for a more
official request from prosecutors as opposed to police. Did they give you
any sense of that Beth?
Beth Twitty: I
am not sure, I don't really want to get involved with who said what. From
what I understand the request has not come through to the producers of
the Dr. Phil show. |
|
Then on Oct 10 on MSNBC's
Scarborough country, Beth now says that the FBI has the tape.
| Scarborough:
You were on Dr Phil last week, (editor's note: it was actually in September)
everybody is getting outraged, ppl talking including Dr Phil about boycott
of Aruba. Do you think this might lead to the re-arrest of the suspects?
Beth Twitty: It's
kidnapping, rape and we now have a taped confession. I've seen a little
more movement in the last few days. It requires a lot of pressure; they
had the proper channels to request this material, they had the number of
the FBI to contact everybody about getting this confession. It's not up
to Dr Phil, they knew the proper chain of command.
Scarborough:
Do you think they will re-arrest them
Beth Twitty:
First we have to see if they will request the tape, the FBI has it, they
need to request it and utilize it. It can't be lost or misplaced, it has
to be utilized. |
On Oct 8 on "The Geraldo
Rivera" broadcast, Jamie Skeeters had something more to add about
his taped "interview. He said that he had heard Deepak accuse Joran
of killing Natalee. Oddly, after Skeeters made that statement, Geraldo
didn't follow up with any questions. This was the Skeeter's quote:
| Skeeters: I asked
Deepak if he killed Natalee - he said, "no". I asked Deepak
if van der Sloot killed Natalee - he said, "yes." |
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Deepak Kalpoe's attorney's reaction
In an Aruban internet publication
"Bon Dia Aruba" this article appeared in which Rudi Oomen, Deepak Kalpoe's
attorney gave his reaction to the airing of the so-called Deepak confession
interview. In addition he provided a "declaration" which he said
was Deepak's statement.
From Bon
Dia Aruba, page A2, Saturday Sept. 17.
His lawyer is reacting to the program of Dr. Phil
Deepak Kalpoe is Categorically Denying
That He Said New Things on American Television
The conversation was taped without his permission and manipulated.
ORANJESTAD-- Lawyer of Deepak
Kalpoe had no idea that his client talked to a person, let alone that they
taped him and showed it on television. This was the commentary of lawyer
Rudi Oomen on the declaration that his client gave on television during
a program of Dr. Phil Thursday afternoon. While he did not approve of his
client talking to the person Jamie Skeeters, he does not think that the
content will harm the case of his client.
Taped without permission.
"I did not know that he
spoke to that person at the time. It was conversation that allegedly took
place in July," Oomen said. Not long afterwards he was threatened and approached
by Mrs. Twitty. According to Oomen, the person who approached his client,
did as if he was his friend, that he wanted to help him about all the news
that the Twitty family spread about him. "In a conversation where it was
never said that he was being taped, he just mentioned something in all
privacy." Oomen said.
Intention
"Now you can see that apparently
the person had other intentions", Oomen continued , indicating that the
the interview was fabricated in the sense that it was taped and then copied
and pasted the answers according to convenience. "Now, he wants to
bring a completely different picture from what was said," Oomen continued
to say.
About Starting a Case
(lawsuit)
While this practice is something
illegal, a case cannot be easily started against these persons, due that
the situation is too expensive for Kalpoe, since various cases (against
different people) would be required to be started. And the Kalpoe family
does not have the resources to do such. " I do not see that I can
do a lot of things." Oomen said.
The Truth
He saw that it was obvious
that all people who saw this thing realized that it was done in a
cut and pasted way, that this conversation took place and that in that
form, the impression was created that did not reflect the truth. If the
persons had been in Aruba at that time of this broadcast, a case could
have been started against them.
Declarations made by Deepak
Referring to the declarations
given by Deepak, "The truth is that he never made these declarations. That
thing is a typical manipulation that took place with certain fragments,
where they can create that impression," Oomen said. Commenting on
the declaration that Deepak had sexual relations with Natalee, Oomen said,
"He categorically denies to have said that on any or other occasion." |
Comments
Skeeters has answered this
by saying that he did have permission, based on his mentioning (according
to Skeeters) some sort of notice to Deepak on a visit make to Skeeters'
hotel room, where he showed him a video he had done of the landfill witness.
Skeeters claims that during that visit he mentioned to Deepak that, whenever
he talked to anyone, he always records the interviews for the protection
of both parties. No recording or video has been offered as proof
of him giving such a notice and it is really questionable whether that
is even enough to warrant any kind of notification. Only if the entire
tape could be reviewed, not only for content and continuity, but studied
by experts for authenticity and lack of tampering could this be considered
for any sort of legal hearings. Further, it seems doubtful that even
taking it at face value, in its edited form, that so far (assuming there
are more statements) nothing was stated which defines any illegal activities.
Further developments
On an internet forum
(WebSleuths)
there was an email from Jamie Skeeters to one of the WebSleuth's
posters. It has some very interesting information. He reveals
that there is a video tape of the interview and that it was turned over
to the FBI. Now, this email has yet to be verified. Remember, this is the
internet and sometimes things like this are bogus. We should know
soon if this is really from Skeeters. For now, it looks authentic.
There was a lot of speculation
that this might have been a bogus email, but after many doubters
had their say, the original poster or the WebSleuths forum posted this
message, then someone else posted they had a verification. I think
we can assume the Skeeter's letter is real.:
As posted on the Websleuths
forum
The letter I posted was
not a fake as you have been posting (editor's note, she is talking about
other posters on WebSleuths). I wrote to Mr Skeeters and he answered
me the following day. I have been a member of Websleuths for a long time
and would have no interest in posting a fake letter. And btw his
e-mail is JSkeeters@aol.com. I added an extra S unintentionally.
What can you possibly find in that letter to say it isn't wriiten by Mr.
Skeeter? I truly wish you success in verifying the letter and then you
can question your own accusations.
Eleanor
Later, Eleanor added
this:
I just wanted to tell all
of you because I didn't mention it when I posted the letter from Mr. Skeeter
that I was pleasantly surprised to receive such a lengthy letter. I wrote
to him to thank him for his efforts in Natalee's disappearance and to let
him know that because of the proposed condition Dr. Phil put on the tape
many were beginning to doubt the authenticity of the content in the tape.
I asked if he could do anything to resolve this problem. I
have no reason to doubt his honesty.
Then Oct 12, the poster
who had questioned the validity posted this:
I did give my opinion that
this letter was a fake, and I was wrong. As I have stated numerous times,
integrity is very important to me. Therefore, it is extremely important
to me to let you know that I did indeed receive verification at 12:20pm
this evening, (sent 10:05pm) that this letter is real. I also received
a rather nice letter from Mr. Skeeters explaining the details of the misunderstanding
between the Aruba and the US. |
The Jamie Skeeter' Email
JSSkeeters@aol.com
10/09/05
I talked to the folks at
the Dr. Phil show today to see what the heck that chief of police was talking
about last night.
It was news to the Phil folks.
They told me that "No One" from Aruba has ever contacted them for the tapes.
Dr. Phil on national TV told everyone including the police at Aruba that
he was turning the tapes over to them, just come at get them. It's called
"Chain of Evidence" keeps evidence with integrity and credibility.
I called the office of the
Aruba chief of police this morning to see what they were talking about.
They couldn't locate him???? Sounds like more games that they like to play.
Can't find one of their four chief's???
About a week ago, I telephone
Beth's Attorney in Aruba (Helen) and told her that we need to get these
tapes to them since the election on 9-28-05 was over. I invited her to
come to California and we would give her the tapes and make it public so
that the authorities in Aruba could not "lose" them like they have done
with many other pieces of evidence. She liked the idea. I said, you can
invite the chief, prosecutor and even the prime minister if she wanted
to do that.
I told her that we would
give all of them copies of all the tapes, if this is what she wanted to
do. She said that she would get back to me ASAP. I told her that we would
bring them over to her in Aruba if she wanted to this as well.
On 9-28-05, on the same day
as the election results, the same folks won the election, I called the
FBI and requested that they take charge of the original tapes and share
them with the Aruba authorities. They really wanted those tapes as the
Aruban authorities have not been treating out FBI to nice. Dr. Phil sent
the tapes to the FBI a week ago.
As far as this chief in Aruba
saying that Dr. Phil has "conditions", is just more political nonsense.
The Dr. Phil show is over and has been for over a month. It's just the
same old stall that been going on for three months. Even Beth knew that
the tapes were in the hands of the FBI.
However, I think that it
would be a good idea to film the Aruba authorities receiving the tapes,
here or there, where the entire world could witness all of them receiving
the same exact copies of the same tape. It would then be difficult for
them to lose all three copies...but then again..nothing would surprise
me at this point.
By the way, I read the transcripts
of those tapes for the first time yesterday. WOW, there is more good stuff
in there that even I forgot about. The tape is over two hours long...
Many thanks for your comments,
but I sincerely hope that you can see what we have been going through with
those folks in Aruba.
I believe that I will have
to go on one of the shows to share to with the public what I just shared
with you. Clear things up...
I'll try calling that chief
once again in the morning, and see what he's talking about.
Also, a few "doubters" are
saying that the tape is "doctored" and it's not Deepak talking on the tapes.
Apparently they haven't been told that the tapes are "Video" tapes not
just recording tapes. I even think the they don't realize that even in
Aruba.
Take care,
Jamie
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